Lausten wrote:From your OP:
Yes, completely ignore my clarification that I wrote in the same post as the question.
I have noticed that The Atheist Experience crew has a very feminist ideology overall.
You are so right. You are so good at being right. However, this is the only thing you are right about.DjVortex wrote:you didn't actually watch those videos.
I don't understand what is confusing here. You linked them, you agree with them, why can't you tell me what it is about them that you find agreeable? Do you not see value in summarizing a 10 minute polemic into a few logical sentences?Do I want to defend them? What do you mean by that?
What exactly is sexist about those two videos?
Thanks dobbie, did you listen to the podcast?
He did quite a bit more than "point out that gender equality issues go both ways". One of my paragraphs ends with "that is the definition of prejudice", did you miss that one? You're starting to back down from the some of the stronger words you used in the beginning and doing the "all's I'm saying is" thing.DjVortex wrote:Could you please start reading what I actually write, rather than putting words in my mouth?
Lausten wrote:You're starting to back down from the some of the stronger words you used in the beginning and doing the "all's I'm saying is" thing.
I have noticed that The Atheist Experience crew has a very feminist ideology overall. The (perhaps semi-)official stance is that sexism is rampant (or at least somewhat prevalent) among atheist groups (at least in the US), and that it's a big problem that should be solved.
I was slightly appalled by TAE crew's official stance on the "elevatorgate" fiasco. Rather than doing what they should have done, in other words, take a neutral stance, they strongly and unanimously sided with the feminist party.
In other words, when the "anti-feminist" party was saying "this situation is ridiculous" referring to the particular example of someone asking someone else for coffee and that someone else overreacting, what the "feminist" party was hearing was "the whole idea of sexism existing among atheists is ridiculous". And of course the other way around.
I have watched all the amazing atheist videos, and I have yet to see something that could be considered sexist.
I think it's appalling that if someone dares to oppose the ideology of feminism, he is automatically labeled "silly sexist".
The sad thing about all this is that parallels can be easily drawn to other similar prejudices, such as:
- If you are an atheist, that means you are immoral and believe in evolution.
- If you oppose islam, you are a racist.
- If you oppose feminism, you are a sexist.
I see little difference.
But if an outspoken feminist woman complains about a man (possibly) hitting on her, then all hell breaks loose. This is a double standard.
Anyways, my point was not to discuss whether this was a legitimate complaint that deserved such a huge community reaction, but to express my distaste on TAE crew's reaction to it. In my opinion they should have remained neutral rather than showing such a feminist biases. Of course this is just my opinion.
I would like to make clear, that of course there exists sexism among men in atheist communities, sexism that shouldn't exist. And of course it is more prevalent among men toward women than any other possible combination. (Or, more precisely, people acting on their sexist views is more prevalent among men towards women. Ideologies that can be considered sexist is a slightly different topic.)
What is, however, often ignored and seldom discussed is the prevalent sexism and prejudices in the other direction.
In a similar way as racism is considered by most people to be possible only when a white person discriminates against a non-white person, most people consider sexism to be possible only when a male acts like a jackass towards a woman. Any other combinations are never considered sexism (or even if they are, usually significantly less so).
Lausten wrote:I'd love to hear what you think of the Amazing Atheist now.
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